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he was talking about info on taxes and the deficit an didn't quite get it. i'm sure you feel the same way. >> i sure do. we spent too much time on foreign policy and not enough on jobs and fiscal responsibility. i think ryan won because vice president biden's demeanor was inappropriate in the first part of the debate. >> what do you mean? >> he laughed, interrupted too much. didn't think he was vice-presidential. i thought he got better in the second half and ryan had a stronger close. the truth is neither has a credible tax plan and romney-ryan better start providing specifics how they will pay for the rate cuts. you can do it because there's about $11 trillion worth of tax expenditures over 10 years and you have to eliminate half of them to pay for it. they haven't provided enough specifics and hurting their credibility. >> put a cap. >> whatever, you have to provide more specificity. >> let me ask david a question. he'll appreciate this. >> the point i want to make is romney last week put a cap on it. in fact, his cap -- original cap was $17,000, and even
he was talking about info on taxes and the deficit an didn't quite get it. i'm sure you feel the same way. >> i sure do. we spent too much time on foreign policy and not enough on jobs and fiscal responsibility. i think ryan won because vice president biden's demeanor was inappropriate in the first part of the debate. >> what do you mean? >> he laughed, interrupted too much. didn't think he was vice-presidential. i thought he got better in the second half and ryan had a...
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why didn't we go forward with a plan to reduce the deficit. these guys have been in charge for four years and they don't have a lot to show for it. >> steven, that sounds like an invitation to get lost in the weeds to become the policy wonk that we know both of these two gentlemen are, and let's be honest this is about trying to convince a married woman somewhere in ohio to go republican or democrat versus the other way. how is that going to play? how are details going to play at all tonight? >> i think it's important to have details, just as we saw in the last debate. i think while you could easily get lost in the weeds, i think people came away with an impression as to what each side stood for. i would just say with respect to carly's comments it's not true that obama and biden do not have a budget. they have one. it's called the fiscal year 13 budget they put out that goes into excruciating detail, far more detail than romney and ryan has gone into as to how they would achieve substantial deficit reduction over the next ten years. the presi
why didn't we go forward with a plan to reduce the deficit. these guys have been in charge for four years and they don't have a lot to show for it. >> steven, that sounds like an invitation to get lost in the weeds to become the policy wonk that we know both of these two gentlemen are, and let's be honest this is about trying to convince a married woman somewhere in ohio to go republican or democrat versus the other way. how is that going to play? how are details going to play at all...
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don't raise the deficit. don't raise taxes on the middle class. and don't lower the share of nblg that is born by the high income earners. he'll say this $5 trillion plan i suppose, it's been discredited by six other studies and even their own deputy campaign manager acknowledged it wasn't correct. >> well, let's talk about this 20%. you have refused and again, to offer specifics on how you would pay for that 20% across the board tax cut. do you actually have the specifics or are you still working on it and that's why you won't tell voters? >> different than this administration, we actually want to have big bipartisan agreements. you see, i understand -- >> do you have the specifics? do you have the math? you know what you're doing? >> [ inaudible ]. >> look at what ronald reagan and tip o'neill did, they worked together out of a framework to lower tax rates and broaden the base, and they worked together to fix that. what we're saying is, here's our framework. lower tax rates 20%. we raise about $1.2 trillion through income taxes. we forgo about $
don't raise the deficit. don't raise taxes on the middle class. and don't lower the share of nblg that is born by the high income earners. he'll say this $5 trillion plan i suppose, it's been discredited by six other studies and even their own deputy campaign manager acknowledged it wasn't correct. >> well, let's talk about this 20%. you have refused and again, to offer specifics on how you would pay for that 20% across the board tax cut. do you actually have the specifics or are you...
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but 2% gdp growth after you get to an almost 10% deficit spend of $3 trillion out of deficit stimulus, it's not robust growth. what happens in this election is important. clearly people have to get out and vote. what's going to happen on this groundwork and infrastructure of our economy over the next four years is going to be crucial for future generations. >>. no, it's not about infrastructure. it has nothing to do with infrastructure. david, it has to do with mitt romney's brilliant tax reform plan to lower the rates and broaden the base and cap the deductions. we're going to talk about that in the next segment with arthur laffer and jared bernstein. but don't you think there's potential here for a political and economic revolution? and if a pro-growth revolution comes, american entrepreneurs, american small businessmen and women are poised, they are poised to torque up the animal spirits and give this a great lift. i think people in the stock market are missing this, david goldman. >> larry, markets have never been good about predicting elections and discounted them. but the fact i
but 2% gdp growth after you get to an almost 10% deficit spend of $3 trillion out of deficit stimulus, it's not robust growth. what happens in this election is important. clearly people have to get out and vote. what's going to happen on this groundwork and infrastructure of our economy over the next four years is going to be crucial for future generations. >>. no, it's not about infrastructure. it has nothing to do with infrastructure. david, it has to do with mitt romney's brilliant tax...
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the fy-2012 deficit was $1.89 trillion, $207 billion less than the 2011 deficit. the 2012 deficit came in lower than previously forecasted as the treasury department and omb. $121 billion less than forecasted at the mid session review. as a percentage of gdp, says treasury and omb, the fy-2012 deficit was 7% down from 8.7% in fy-2011. the reduction from last year was due to higher receipts and lower outlays resulting in part from a stronger economy. also, a statement from treasury secretary tim geithner accompanying the release of these budget details. quote, the president has put forward a balanced proposal to further strengthen the economy and reduce the country's future deficits. it's time for congress to act on those necessary steps to it help sustain economic growth for years to come. of course, to add the fuel to the budget and deficit debate, fiscal cliff, and obviously ahead of next week's all-important debate between president obama and mitt romney. back to you guys. >> it's going to be fodder for our next conversation, i'm thinking. >> absolutely. right
the fy-2012 deficit was $1.89 trillion, $207 billion less than the 2011 deficit. the 2012 deficit came in lower than previously forecasted as the treasury department and omb. $121 billion less than forecasted at the mid session review. as a percentage of gdp, says treasury and omb, the fy-2012 deficit was 7% down from 8.7% in fy-2011. the reduction from last year was due to higher receipts and lower outlays resulting in part from a stronger economy. also, a statement from treasury secretary tim...
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not support, we need to sit down together, all of us, led by the president, and say, look, here's our deficit, here's our goal, here's the period of time that we have in order to fix it. and here are the measures that have to be on the table, the ones we can agree on, those we disagree on, but we have to come out with a way to so that the bleeding. that means putting everything on the table. now, i oppose -- the fact is that there can be an agreement in my view that we would all have to make some sacrifices. but for me to say i would support this, i wouldn't support that, that's not the way you negotiate. >> but you're saying you won't put the mortgage tax deduction on the table. >> i wouldn't agree to it. but the fact is that there can be an agreement. >> didn't the debt ceiling negotiation show that there simply cannot be a coming to terms between republicans and democrats? each party has their own sacred house that they refuse to budge. >> the president has agreed and boehner had agreed to a certain amount of revenue increases. boehner went to to the white house and the president napded th
not support, we need to sit down together, all of us, led by the president, and say, look, here's our deficit, here's our goal, here's the period of time that we have in order to fix it. and here are the measures that have to be on the table, the ones we can agree on, those we disagree on, but we have to come out with a way to so that the bleeding. that means putting everything on the table. now, i oppose -- the fact is that there can be an agreement in my view that we would all have to make...
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he will continue to attract the deficit. he'll look at the tax reform which i think is very important, if you get any help from the republicans whatsoever which he got none of for the last two years we'll see real tax reforms and the implication of the tax codes and he'll get his jobs bill passed if the congress will cooperate which they haven't done for two years. >> tom stemberg, your reaction to howard's definition here and your agenda? larry, when you've been in office for four years, you shouldn't be evaluated on your plans. you should be evaluated on your performance, it's at best, d-minus and our jobs situation are running trillion dollar deficits and america's dollar and the stock price, if you will, is at an all-time low and that's not a good record. >> excuse me, our stock price is up tremendously since barack obama took office. wall street's done really well. the reason is corporate profits. >> our currency. >> our economy is recovering and the people know it. >> thank you very much. tom stemberg, ceo of staples.
he will continue to attract the deficit. he'll look at the tax reform which i think is very important, if you get any help from the republicans whatsoever which he got none of for the last two years we'll see real tax reforms and the implication of the tax codes and he'll get his jobs bill passed if the congress will cooperate which they haven't done for two years. >> tom stemberg, your reaction to howard's definition here and your agenda? larry, when you've been in office for four years,...
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they will come up with a deficit reduction plan of some kind. they totally failed and so they came up with this sequestration which is essentially, let's decide what all of us hate the most and put that in the deal so we force some sort of rational agreement. well, the irrational mutual assured destruction is what we now have in law where we are cutting defense, we are cutting things like biomedical research with an ax. it makes absolutely no sense, no person who thought about these things would agree with it but that's where we are. >> one thing i think the president has been unable to do is lead these two groups together. because you can't constantly sit there and watch everybody fighting. what about all the people hanging in the balance? >> i asked the president about this. he says he blames the republicans and so forth. >> they blame him. >> there's blame to go around. there's no question. but, this is so important. this is like fighting a war. you need bipartisan approach and fighting the war is painful and expensive and doing these things
they will come up with a deficit reduction plan of some kind. they totally failed and so they came up with this sequestration which is essentially, let's decide what all of us hate the most and put that in the deal so we force some sort of rational agreement. well, the irrational mutual assured destruction is what we now have in law where we are cutting defense, we are cutting things like biomedical research with an ax. it makes absolutely no sense, no person who thought about these things...
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it's called the deficit. 1,100,000,000,000 bucks. what do you think that is? >> you can't solely tax your way out of it. raises taxes doesn't do a darn thing to change the demographics of a country. or the fact that health care is growing at a faster gdp. you also can't solely cut your way out of it without hurting the truly disadvantaged or without making such significant cuts in education and infrastructure, energy and research that we're not competitive in a knowledge-based global economy. >> i want to ask you, because a lot of this is predicated -- >> can i say one thing on that? >> yeah. >> even if it was a matter of economics you could live life on one extreme or the other. as a matter of political reality you can't. the country is divided on this. whoever wins the election i hope they realize that you have to bring the entire country with you. you have to do this in a bipartisan way. or else we're going to be a very volatile system as we go from one extreme to the other extreme as the parties trade tenures in office. whoever does this is going to have t
it's called the deficit. 1,100,000,000,000 bucks. what do you think that is? >> you can't solely tax your way out of it. raises taxes doesn't do a darn thing to change the demographics of a country. or the fact that health care is growing at a faster gdp. you also can't solely cut your way out of it without hurting the truly disadvantaged or without making such significant cuts in education and infrastructure, energy and research that we're not competitive in a knowledge-based global...
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because according to experts, he'd have to raise taxes on the middle class - or increase the deficit to pay for it. if we can't trust him here... how could we ever trust him here? >>> welcome back to "the kudlow report. "i'm larry kudlow. in this half hour would somebody tell me why barack obama took the past week taking the bait and running against big bird and "sesame street" while his polls it be to plunge? this segment will be brought to you by the letter "o" and the number zero. also on this half house, the one-night showdown between joe biden and paul ryan, we go exclusively inside how ryan prepped for the big night, and what are the main goals for romney and ryan's camp? what are they, and what do they want to say? let's go to robert costa from the national review online danville, cnbc contributor. the debate sunday way. bob costa as you talked to the romney/ryan people today, what phrases jump out? what do you think he wants to get across in at least a minimal way? >> they want to defend mitt romney's positions. they want to go after the obama economic record and reach out to
because according to experts, he'd have to raise taxes on the middle class - or increase the deficit to pay for it. if we can't trust him here... how could we ever trust him here? >>> welcome back to "the kudlow report. "i'm larry kudlow. in this half hour would somebody tell me why barack obama took the past week taking the bait and running against big bird and "sesame street" while his polls it be to plunge? this segment will be brought to you by the letter...
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he said this is the way to look at the deficit. every dollar that we use -- spend for all of our wars is borrowed. that's a great way to get the idea across to the people how serious the deficit problem is. mr. simpson had a great comment. he said we used to think that no congress could be this stupid but i think we were wrong. i'm paraphrasing a little bit but they're putting some pressure on them now. >> i think they're being joined by a number of ceos around the country. the question is whether or not in this type of election year the pressure that is on congress and senators -- i don't know whether it is going to do any good. >> did lloyd blankfein look comfortable or not? i have not seen him look so relaxed. >> speaking of mr. blankfein, folks, i thought it was very interesting when he said i'm more worried about the next five months than i am about the next five years. on that he seems relatively optimistic. he was more optimistic maybe than we might have anticipated on europe. he thought china had had
he said this is the way to look at the deficit. every dollar that we use -- spend for all of our wars is borrowed. that's a great way to get the idea across to the people how serious the deficit problem is. mr. simpson had a great comment. he said we used to think that no congress could be this stupid but i think we were wrong. i'm paraphrasing a little bit but they're putting some pressure on them now. >> i think they're being joined by a number of ceos around the country. the question...
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deficit. >> listen, i agree with that. frankly, simpson-bowles is better than anything else we've got so we might as well take it. there's things to like in here. flattening tax rates and getting rid of deductions? i don't think people realize this but simpson-bowles gets rid of the mortgage interest deduction, it gets rid of major tax expenditures that "cost the u.s." revenue each year. dpou that the economy can operate more efficiently. my comment is it's just not very big given the amount of debate that it engenders. >> brian had a wonderful list of all the things people might do, might open up their wallets once they feel they've got cough dense in their leaders. we have a lot of uncertainty right now. we don't know who is going to be in the white house in november. we don't know what's going to happen with the fiscal cliff. once these things are said and done, how much of an economic boost would you expect? how much confidence would it instill? >> it is a good question. i take my hat off to blankfein especially on tha
deficit. >> listen, i agree with that. frankly, simpson-bowles is better than anything else we've got so we might as well take it. there's things to like in here. flattening tax rates and getting rid of deductions? i don't think people realize this but simpson-bowles gets rid of the mortgage interest deduction, it gets rid of major tax expenditures that "cost the u.s." revenue each year. dpou that the economy can operate more efficiently. my comment is it's just not very big...
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we have seen $4 trillion deficits under his lack of leadership with our debt reaching $16 trillion. and as you know, if we stay on this path, by the end of his second term, should he be re-elected, it would be $20 trillion. that's unacceptable. >> is there a way to say that within the framework of what simpson/bowles are now providing, this time with the involvement of a lot of the nation's ceos? >> well, governor romney and paul ryan, like i said, have laid out a plan, not just to bring spending under control, but to reform our tax code, get people working again. because with more people in the work force, we'll be able to generate more income and that will be more money coming in. as you know, right now with 23 million americans struggling for work, many of those underemployed, they can't get good jobs. the amount of income we need just isn't coming in. >> yeah. but what i hear you saying is that it's going to be on your terms from your plan. it's not going to be in any way trying to embrace a revamped simpson/bowles. we know the congressman was on that commission and voted agains
we have seen $4 trillion deficits under his lack of leadership with our debt reaching $16 trillion. and as you know, if we stay on this path, by the end of his second term, should he be re-elected, it would be $20 trillion. that's unacceptable. >> is there a way to say that within the framework of what simpson/bowles are now providing, this time with the involvement of a lot of the nation's ceos? >> well, governor romney and paul ryan, like i said, have laid out a plan, not just to...
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if you let the bush tax cuts expire as a whole, 80% of our deficit problems are taken care of with that, and it's an actual number, it's not 40 billion a year. it's an actual number. >> then you're raising taxes on the middle class. >> right, you're broadening the base. you're not going to be able to do that without -- >> but obama and romney pledged they don't want to raise taxes on the middle class. >> is it a realistic idea two years from now, three years from now? >> that's an important question, because as much as so many people, and i'm one of them, admire simpson-bowles and admire particularly i think the heroic contributions, and they really are, that alan simpson and erskine bowles made to get us close to a the resolution, it is a sweeping tax reform, and historically, tax reform has taken in the modern era years to do. the '86 tax act, the last time we had major tax reform in this country took four years to do, first introduced in '82 and so the idea that in the lame duck session we'll have big tax reform for the first two months of 2013 -- >> bowles and simpson would say get
if you let the bush tax cuts expire as a whole, 80% of our deficit problems are taken care of with that, and it's an actual number, it's not 40 billion a year. it's an actual number. >> then you're raising taxes on the middle class. >> right, you're broadening the base. you're not going to be able to do that without -- >> but obama and romney pledged they don't want to raise taxes on the middle class. >> is it a realistic idea two years from now, three years from now?...
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it's okay to reduce the deficit, just not in my backyard. >> right, right. same issue with oil. >> we'll take a break. we are coming back with the closing countdown and a recap of the date in a moment. >> and just moments away from the kickoff of earnings season. this is what we've been waiting for. alcoa chairman and ceo klaus kleinfeld will join us. you're watching the "closing bell" on cnbc, first in business worldwide. ally bank. why they're always there to talk. i love you, james. don't you love me? i'm a robot. i know. i know you're a robot! but there's more in you than just circuits and wires! uhhh. (cries) a machine can't give you what a person can. that's why ally has knowledgeable people there for you, night and day. ally bank. your money needs an ally. like in a special ops mission? you'd spot movement, gather intelligence with minimal collateral damage. but rather than neutralizing enemies in their sleep, you'd be targeting stocks to trade. well, that's what trade architect's heat maps do. they make you a trading assassin. trade architect. td ame
it's okay to reduce the deficit, just not in my backyard. >> right, right. same issue with oil. >> we'll take a break. we are coming back with the closing countdown and a recap of the date in a moment. >> and just moments away from the kickoff of earnings season. this is what we've been waiting for. alcoa chairman and ceo klaus kleinfeld will join us. you're watching the "closing bell" on cnbc, first in business worldwide. ally bank. why they're always there to talk....
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. >> 180% of gdp, their deficit. we're 9%. so always a good idea to spend more money than you're take manage to try to get out of a recession. that's where you're at right now. so what you're doing is a government telling you that there will be inflation, we're going to keep interest rates very low. what that does, it encourages corporations to invest. the corporation sitting there with $2 trillion on their balance sheets and what they have to do, they have to invest to create jobs. the government is saying you can leave it there and wait for a disaster, but if you do, it will go down in value 4% every year and, therefore, encourage people to lower the dollar. that makes products worth more. so we're trying to encourage people to build products and plants. >> we had lloyd blankfein and simpson and bowles talking about the fiscal cliff. this is what lloyd blankfein had to say. >> i'd be a buyer of the market. goldman sachs would -- we not only value company, we're a company ourselves. we would be assuming that our business woul
. >> 180% of gdp, their deficit. we're 9%. so always a good idea to spend more money than you're take manage to try to get out of a recession. that's where you're at right now. so what you're doing is a government telling you that there will be inflation, we're going to keep interest rates very low. what that does, it encourages corporations to invest. the corporation sitting there with $2 trillion on their balance sheets and what they have to do, they have to invest to create jobs. the...
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plus the co-chirs of president obama's deficit commission, simpson and bowles. and they'll discuss the economy and friscal issues. 12:30 p.m. eastern.and they'll and fiscal issues. 12:30 p.m. eastern.simpson and . and they'll discuss the economy and fiscal issues. 12:30 p.m. eastern. a lot of questions you could ask that trio. >> he'll have a ton to discuss. also simpson and bowles, sometimes you see the names netted for perhaps treasury secretary. so many reasons no to the miss that interview. >> we're off. coming up next is "squawk box." bob... oh, hey alex. just picking up some, brochures, posters copies of my acceptance speech. great! it's always good to have a backup plan, in case i get hit by a meteor. wow, your hair looks great. didn't realize they did photoshop here. hey, good call on those mugs. can't let 'em see what you're drinking. you know, i'm glad we're both running a nice, clean race. no need to get nasty. here's your "honk if you had an affair with taylor" yard sign. looks good. [ male announcer ] fedex office. save 50% on banners. >>> today's t
plus the co-chirs of president obama's deficit commission, simpson and bowles. and they'll discuss the economy and friscal issues. 12:30 p.m. eastern.and they'll and fiscal issues. 12:30 p.m. eastern.simpson and . and they'll discuss the economy and fiscal issues. 12:30 p.m. eastern. a lot of questions you could ask that trio. >> he'll have a ton to discuss. also simpson and bowles, sometimes you see the names netted for perhaps treasury secretary. so many reasons no to the miss that...
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midterm elections concerned raising taxes on the rich as a way to reduce the nation's record budget deficit. but for president reagan's former budget director david stockman, raising taxes on the rich isn't nearly enough to cure what ails the u.s. economy. in october 2010, stockman told lesley stahl that all tax cuts implemented by president george w. bush should be eliminated, even those on the middle class, and that his own republican party has gone too far with its anti-tax religion. >> tax cutting is a religion. what do you mean by that? >> well, it's become, in the sense, an absolute-- something that can't be questioned, something that's gospel, something that's sort of embedded in the catechism. and so scratch the average republican today, and he'll say, "tax cuts, tax cuts, tax cuts." >> cut taxes. >> cutting taxes. >> make the tax cuts permanent. >> it's rank demagoguery. we should call it for what it is. if these people were all put into a room on penalty of death to come up with how much they could cut, they couldn't come up with $50 billion when the problem is $1.3 trillion. so t
midterm elections concerned raising taxes on the rich as a way to reduce the nation's record budget deficit. but for president reagan's former budget director david stockman, raising taxes on the rich isn't nearly enough to cure what ails the u.s. economy. in october 2010, stockman told lesley stahl that all tax cuts implemented by president george w. bush should be eliminated, even those on the middle class, and that his own republican party has gone too far with its anti-tax religion....
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before we get to the deficit and all of the debates last week. were you depressed, unhappy, miserable? give us an adjective. >> well one, i'm not depressed. i see joe smiling. he's not going to yell at me today. >> there's a number of polls, an enthusiasm gap. >> i wouldn't say that. governor romney had a very good debate, no question, he put on a great show, but to me i think we should be focusing, this is a business show on friday's unemployment number, which was a great number, and not a surprise, based on what the economy's been doing over the last three years. >> 114,000 is not a great number. >> 140,000 on average over the last six months. >> what came out on friday was below expectations for 114,000. >> you know what revisions has done each month so we should look to see where the revisions are. i think if you look over this year, you're averaging about 140,000, i think we should -- >> 140,000 is anemic and not enough to bring down the rate even though it has somehow. >> i would look at it differently. i think over the last three years the
before we get to the deficit and all of the debates last week. were you depressed, unhappy, miserable? give us an adjective. >> well one, i'm not depressed. i see joe smiling. he's not going to yell at me today. >> there's a number of polls, an enthusiasm gap. >> i wouldn't say that. governor romney had a very good debate, no question, he put on a great show, but to me i think we should be focusing, this is a business show on friday's unemployment number, which was a great...
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. >> but investors have bigger fish to fry, like our massive deficit. >> spend $1 million a day since the birth of christ, you wouldn't be at $1 billitrillion. >> i'm really worried that if we don't get these guys to pull together rather than pull apart, that we face not only the most avoidable economic crisis in history, but the most predictable. >> so should you be bracing to jump off the fiscal cliff? >> i'm going to take the other side of that trade, i guess. >> you want to go -- >> the fast money guys. >> hey, i'm a hoot. >> guy adami will tell you that's what makes a market, this is "fast money." >>> live from the nasdaq market site in new york city, i'm melissa lee. apple loses altitude, is the weakness in technology a canary in the coal mine for the broader market? and at this point, you've got to wonder whether or not tech is showing signs of some sort of breakdown. >> that's a huge issue. in october, tech is now down 3% for the month. and there's divergence in the sector performance. you have financials up three, tech's down three, and you've got the general, which is apple
. >> but investors have bigger fish to fry, like our massive deficit. >> spend $1 million a day since the birth of christ, you wouldn't be at $1 billitrillion. >> i'm really worried that if we don't get these guys to pull together rather than pull apart, that we face not only the most avoidable economic crisis in history, but the most predictable. >> so should you be bracing to jump off the fiscal cliff? >> i'm going to take the other side of that trade, i guess....
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gained from closing loop holes and put them into the highest income brackets rather than reducing the deficit. >> it is most regrettable that he is do that go. he is throwing a huge monkey wrench into that. and byes way, cap gains go up and he is doing his own constituents in new york. a great disservice. coming up next, since the president's debate fi asco, obaa has done nothing but debate big bird. >> and romney is climbing in the polls and all that coming up next. >>> welcome back to the kudlow report. in this half hour, president obama getting a ton of donations from china and a ton of foreign donors and it is illegal. why isn't he putting a stop to it? i don't see how they make it through each day. i couldn't do it without faith. do they vote blue or red? ralph read is going to tell us about that story. >> but first, mitt romney has bolted past president obama in the polls. leading 48-47. now he is closing in on the critical battleground states. >> good evening to you. just a few weeks ago team romney was considering giving up in ohio. maybe the most important state in 2012. now there th
gained from closing loop holes and put them into the highest income brackets rather than reducing the deficit. >> it is most regrettable that he is do that go. he is throwing a huge monkey wrench into that. and byes way, cap gains go up and he is doing his own constituents in new york. a great disservice. coming up next, since the president's debate fi asco, obaa has done nothing but debate big bird. >> and romney is climbing in the polls and all that coming up next. >>>...
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and can congress be moved toward deficit solutions. finally, what's their prescription for taking on entitlemen entitlements. what's the role of wall street and business is trying to avoid the fiscal cliff we're headed toward and creating deficit or budget sanity out there. >> steve, it's appropriate we're in baseball playoff season. because if the first commission was a swing and a miss, is there going to be some attempt at adjustment if, in fact, there is another try at this? >> you know, that's a good met t for, carl. they're still at bat. it's fascinating to think about the idea that simpson-bowles as a brand seems to have gotten more popular. people seem to know simpson-bowles at least in the general or broader public. certainly in the media. when you dig down and see what's been happening inside the beltway, it looks like simpson-bowles has become less popular. i think they're still up at bat. i think they have several more swings.
and can congress be moved toward deficit solutions. finally, what's their prescription for taking on entitlemen entitlements. what's the role of wall street and business is trying to avoid the fiscal cliff we're headed toward and creating deficit or budget sanity out there. >> steve, it's appropriate we're in baseball playoff season. because if the first commission was a swing and a miss, is there going to be some attempt at adjustment if, in fact, there is another try at this? >>...
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it was an interesting conversation where we talked about the fiscal cliff, resolving the deficit, and got inside goldman's business a bit. a lot of it was concerned with the warnings. >> if we do nothing, next year you'll have the rate of growth slow to somewhere like 3 to 5%. you'll have unemployment go up another 2% to around above 9%, and 2 million more people will lose their jobs. and we're doing nothing about it. >> it's very serious. i think the candidates know how serious it is. i think they're trying to avoid it, maybe in part because it is so consequential and serious. maybe the ideas that would have to be put forward will be unattractive to some people. obviously we're in a position where new discipline is going to have to be imposed. people are going to be disappointed in the consequence. >> they worship the god of re-election. they're figuring that out and how to duck every hot issue before november 6th. then erskine says the whirlpool of $7 trillion is going to hit us like a rainstorm. >> people are never going to understand how critical this particular time in history is
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we're trapped with quantitative easing and massive deficit buildups every year. someone has to grip it and if romney is the man, good. i'd like to see him give more leadership and say i'm the man, i've done this in private business and can do that for the country. >> i think he did that the other night very clearly. >> in the debate. >> back to what you said earlier, our current sitting president if you were to look at his resume, which we can't see because he won't let us have it, seriously, we don't know what grades he got, don't know where he went to college. >> don't we know that for romney, to he? >> absolutely. i have a trade for romney. i'll give you eight more years of tax returns, you unseal all your records that you won't let us see. tell me why you surrendered your law license in illinois and why did your wife surrender her license in illinois. let us know why. you're running for the presidency. you don't have a private life anymore. it's gone. you made that decision when you said i'm running for president. what i'm saying is, we know one thing about m
we're trapped with quantitative easing and massive deficit buildups every year. someone has to grip it and if romney is the man, good. i'd like to see him give more leadership and say i'm the man, i've done this in private business and can do that for the country. >> i think he did that the other night very clearly. >> in the debate. >> back to what you said earlier, our current sitting president if you were to look at his resume, which we can't see because he won't let us...
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so depending on which way the electorate goes, you're going to see the deficit reduced either by tax increases or public spending cuts or a bit of both. and i do think the intrenched positions you've had the last year and a half will in the send cause someone to blink, either the administration or congress because ultimately neither will want to push the u.s. into an unnecessary recession next year. the answer is, yes, i expect some compromise. may seem foolish given the behavior of washington in the last few quarters. but having said that, i do think you're going to see some compromise. and ultimately, although it has hurt the market, it won't be too much of a negative going into next year. >> some may argue the more important elections in the next few weeks are the spanish regional elections on the 21st, which may trigger or allow spain to then ask for a bailout. do you think that's the event to watch as opposed to -- earnings season is great, it's not going to be a headwind in your view. but do we really need spain to request a bailout in order for us -- the equity markets to move
so depending on which way the electorate goes, you're going to see the deficit reduced either by tax increases or public spending cuts or a bit of both. and i do think the intrenched positions you've had the last year and a half will in the send cause someone to blink, either the administration or congress because ultimately neither will want to push the u.s. into an unnecessary recession next year. the answer is, yes, i expect some compromise. may seem foolish given the behavior of washington...
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rates, we should close all these loopholes and take that and take all the money and put it toward the deficit. now, there could be an argument for that, but i think the dangerous thing about him saying it is going and saying it to the national press club instead of being serious and working with the gang of eight and mark warner trying to reach some sort of agreement that you can bring both sides of the aisle to. going out there and saying stuff like that. it's incendiary. >> by the way -- >> are you trying to blame him for that? was there a camera? >> i just want to understand one thing, we clearly know that under obama, tax rates are going to go up at the top. >> obama care they are. >> well -- >> you think there's a misunderstanding among either romney supporters or a misunderstanding about romney's position on this issue? >> romney told everybody in the debate. he said if you're an upper income player, don't expect you're getting any help this time around. he said it. >> do you think people six months ago thought they were getting help? >> i think that was in their wheel house. >> but the
rates, we should close all these loopholes and take that and take all the money and put it toward the deficit. now, there could be an argument for that, but i think the dangerous thing about him saying it is going and saying it to the national press club instead of being serious and working with the gang of eight and mark warner trying to reach some sort of agreement that you can bring both sides of the aisle to. going out there and saying stuff like that. it's incendiary. >> by the way...
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widgets we're building that end up in inventory, what ultimately happens to them, how do they alter deficits and gdp, it's a good number and we still have jolts coming up in five minutes. melissa lee back to you. >> thank you very much, rick santelli. let's take a check on the markets, not too much of a market reaction as for now. the s&p 500 holding steady at 1,439, the dow down by 39 points and the nasdaq eeking out a gain by 0.3 of a point. we are seeing weak innocence energy. oil prices are higher but we have weakness in the energy shares down by 0.9%. probably pressured by the chevron warning that came out yesterday after the bell. >> let's get to the road map for the next hour. is the consumer back on top and here to stay? costco beating the street's estimates as fourth quarter earnings up 27% on some higher membership fees while yum! brands brushes off some of the china fears. >> walmart going straight for amazon's jugular in time for the holiday season. it will launch same-day delivery for goods purchased online so as the rivalry grows, who will come out on top? >> toyota recalling n
widgets we're building that end up in inventory, what ultimately happens to them, how do they alter deficits and gdp, it's a good number and we still have jolts coming up in five minutes. melissa lee back to you. >> thank you very much, rick santelli. let's take a check on the markets, not too much of a market reaction as for now. the s&p 500 holding steady at 1,439, the dow down by 39 points and the nasdaq eeking out a gain by 0.3 of a point. we are seeing weak innocence energy. oil...
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deficit totals $1.4 trillion. it exceeded the $4 trillion mark. >>> jack kennedy and paul ryan, perfect together? some things about them that are similar. both young, energetic, vibrant. paul ryan things they have something in common, joe biden not so sure. the republican candidate invoked a camelot era comparison. this time, the issue taxes. >> you can cut tax rates by 20% and preserve important preferences for middle class taxpayers. >> not mathematically possible. >> it's been done before. >> it's never been done before. >> a couple of times. >> never been done before. >> ronald reagan. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> ronald reagan. >> twitter was atwitter about that. that comment got a noticeable reaction from the group of undecided voters i watched during the debate last night. see it blown up there in the bottom of the screen. here is the problem, both kennedy and reagan working in a different time and place. to start, when both kennedy and reagan took office, individual tax rates not even in the ballpark of
deficit totals $1.4 trillion. it exceeded the $4 trillion mark. >>> jack kennedy and paul ryan, perfect together? some things about them that are similar. both young, energetic, vibrant. paul ryan things they have something in common, joe biden not so sure. the republican candidate invoked a camelot era comparison. this time, the issue taxes. >> you can cut tax rates by 20% and preserve important preferences for middle class taxpayers. >> not mathematically possible....
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because according to experts, he'd have to raise taxes on the middle class - or increase the deficit to pay for it. if we can't trust him here... how could we ever trust him here? oh, hey alex. just picking up some, brochures, posters copies of my acceptance speech. great! it's always good to have a backup plan, in case i get hit by a meteor. wow, your hair looks great. didn't realize they did photoshop here. hey, good call on those mugs. can't let 'em see what you're drinking. you know, i'm glad we're both running a nice, clean race. no need to get nasty. here's your "honk if you had an affair with taylor" yard sign. looks good. [ male announcer ] fedex office. now save 50% on banners. >>> their ideas are old and their ideas are bad and they eliminate the guarantee of medicare. >> here's the problem. they got caught with the hands in the cookie jar taking it out for obama care. >> those are great sound bite, but how do we get to the truth in those comments. paul ryan stuck by his proposals at the debate last night. only he said, partially privatizing medicare will not turn into a vo
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even in the early '80s, the budget deficit was a lot smaller. that's the key reason i'd be concerned. i think tax reform is a good idea. doug is right. we need to have tax reform, but we need tax reform that raises enough revenue to lower tax rates and also goes to reducing future budget deficit because if we don't get the deficits down, lower tax rates aren't going help us. >> and doug, do you think it's fair to say, romney ryan have been saying they think a 3% growth is reasonable. do you think it is? because for in of this math to work out and this whole argument everybody's having about whether they can cut taxes and close enough loopholes, they are counting on economic growth on being part of making up that difference. will it? >> you can't say for sure because good tax policy does t matter. t not the only thing going on out there and you would have to have a displn palestinianed, economic policy. we have a serious threat to the economy from existed and projected debt. it is different from the era of reagan in that debt is not being driven
even in the early '80s, the budget deficit was a lot smaller. that's the key reason i'd be concerned. i think tax reform is a good idea. doug is right. we need to have tax reform, but we need tax reform that raises enough revenue to lower tax rates and also goes to reducing future budget deficit because if we don't get the deficits down, lower tax rates aren't going help us. >> and doug, do you think it's fair to say, romney ryan have been saying they think a 3% growth is reasonable. do...
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don't raise the deficit. don't raise taxes on the middle class. and don't lower the share of income born by the high income earners. he'll keep saying this $5 trillion plan. it's been discredited by six other studies and their own deputy campaign manager acknowledged it wasn't correct. >> let's talk about this 20%. you have refused to offer specifics on how you pay for that 20% across the board tax cut. do you actually have the specifics or are you still working on it and that's why you won't tell voters? >> different than this administration, we want to have big bipartisan agreements. see, i understand -- >> do you have the specifics, do you have the -- >> that would be the first in a republican congress. >> look at what ronald reagan and tip o'neill did. they worked together to broaden the base and lower tax rates. what we're saying is, here is our frame work. lower taxes 20%. 1.1 million in loopholes and deductions. deny those loopholes and deductions to higher-income taxpayers so more income is taxed, which has a broader base of taxation. and
don't raise the deficit. don't raise taxes on the middle class. and don't lower the share of income born by the high income earners. he'll keep saying this $5 trillion plan. it's been discredited by six other studies and their own deputy campaign manager acknowledged it wasn't correct. >> let's talk about this 20%. you have refused to offer specifics on how you pay for that 20% across the board tax cut. do you actually have the specifics or are you still working on it and that's why you...
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because according to experts, he'd have to raise taxes on the middle class - or increase the deficit to pay for it. if we can't trust him here... how could we ever trust him here? why not get buried in something other than work? get two times the points on travel, with chase sapphire preferred. >>> dieters, i guess everybody. >> we're always on a diet somewhere. >> what if i told you could lose weight and still have all the foods you love. i know it sounds too good to be true. >> that's exactly what mark mcdonald teaches. so, we sent mark to the grocery store to show us how with moderation you really can have it all. >> so, right now i'm going to edgeicate you, we're going to educate you as we shop with lexi here how to get the foods that you love quickly, efficiently and affordable. when you look at veggies. you want to get a variety of colors because each vegetable provides you with a different level of antioxidants that help protect your selves and keep your bodies healthy. choose the fruits that you love. make sure that they look fresh and, remember, just get enough that will las
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because according to experts, he'd have to raise taxes on the middle class - or increase the deficit to pay for it. if we can't trust him here... how could we ever trust him here? >>> well, it may just be the vp debate. the second tier battle for the top ticket in the country, but tonight's debate between joe biden and paul ryan will undoubtedly be watched by millions. and while some say a vp debate doesn't hold much sway, you just try telling that to the roughly 70 million people who watched the last vp contest on tv. it was back in 2008. vice presidential candidates joe biden versus sarah palin. >> nice to meet you. hey, can i call you joe? >> you can call me joe. >> thank you. thank you, gwen. thank you. thank you, thank you. >> say it ain't so, joe. there you go again pointing backwards again. you plefrsed your whole comment with the bush administration. >> say it ain't so, joe. i love that. as mentioned, 70 million people watched that debate. that's 10 million more than last week's debate between the presidential candidates. one woman who know as thing or two about prepping such
because according to experts, he'd have to raise taxes on the middle class - or increase the deficit to pay for it. if we can't trust him here... how could we ever trust him here? >>> well, it may just be the vp debate. the second tier battle for the top ticket in the country, but tonight's debate between joe biden and paul ryan will undoubtedly be watched by millions. and while some say a vp debate doesn't hold much sway, you just try telling that to the roughly 70 million people who...
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but also revenue for folks who are doing very well to help reduce the deficit. because if you don't have one penny more from very wealthy people it means you sock it to everybody else. seniors on medicare pay more. less investment in our kids' education. and that's exactly the romney/ryan budget does. itzhaks it to the middle class and seniors, in order to give these tax breaks to very wealthy people. >> what do you think of the job martha raddatz did? >> i think she did a very good job. never made herself the center of the debate. >> she started off very strong with benghazi. want to play a little bit about what the vice president said about security in benghazi. >> well, we weren't told we want more security. we did not know they wanted more security. >> explain that to me. a lot of the testimony was, in fact, the, the, the government did know. that, that, that the state department was well aware that there were requests for security. doesn't that completely contradict exactly what we just saw in i think it was wednesday's testimony? >> what the vice president
but also revenue for folks who are doing very well to help reduce the deficit. because if you don't have one penny more from very wealthy people it means you sock it to everybody else. seniors on medicare pay more. less investment in our kids' education. and that's exactly the romney/ryan budget does. itzhaks it to the middle class and seniors, in order to give these tax breaks to very wealthy people. >> what do you think of the job martha raddatz did? >> i think she did a very good...
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the deficit then was nearly as big and that deficit was almost erased. how did roosevelt do that? created social security and levied heavier taxes, programs for housing and agriculture, put new controls over banks, public utilities and created enormous work relief programs for the unemployed. sounds similar to the president's proposals today, but unlike the last four years fdr saw the unemployment drop, millions of jobs created, gdp jumped, the deficit shrank and the middle class saw a huge expansion that lasted for decades, a building of the middle class that's the envy of the world or used to be. peter, peter morici, can this feat of rebuilding the middle class and reducing the deficit, can that happen again? >> absolutely, but we have to remember that roosevelt inherited a very small government, so expanding it wasn't the rock on the back of the private sector. a more comparable situation was reag reagan's dilemma, inherited an economy with double digit inflation and interest rates and unemployment that peaked at 10.8%, not 10 as mr. obama's did, but hy he took his stimulus in
the deficit then was nearly as big and that deficit was almost erased. how did roosevelt do that? created social security and levied heavier taxes, programs for housing and agriculture, put new controls over banks, public utilities and created enormous work relief programs for the unemployed. sounds similar to the president's proposals today, but unlike the last four years fdr saw the unemployment drop, millions of jobs created, gdp jumped, the deficit shrank and the middle class saw a huge...
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finally let's take a look at the deficit. romney is planning to cut a lot more than funding to big bird and pbs. his plans include repealing obama care, reducing foreign aide and privatizing amtrak. you may notny that's that big of a deal. i use it all the time. romney says privatizing it will save $1.3 billion. the budget is made up a lot of small things. however he does it, his goal is to reduce government spending to 20% of gdp. gdp is the biggest measure of everything we produce in society. he wants to do that by the end 6 his first term. right now government spending is at 25% of gdp. let's shed some more light on what romney's america would look like. kevin hassette is an economic adviser for mitt romney. stevon moore is an editorial writer for "the wall street journal." my good friend christine romans is the host of "your bottom line" right here on cnn. folks, no party or ideological spin today, no using the name obama or the term democrat. pain the me a picture of what the world looks like under romney four years from
finally let's take a look at the deficit. romney is planning to cut a lot more than funding to big bird and pbs. his plans include repealing obama care, reducing foreign aide and privatizing amtrak. you may notny that's that big of a deal. i use it all the time. romney says privatizing it will save $1.3 billion. the budget is made up a lot of small things. however he does it, his goal is to reduce government spending to 20% of gdp. gdp is the biggest measure of everything we produce in society....
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something that would not add to the deficit, they say. here's -- let's listen to paul ryan saying that. >> you can cut tax rates by 20% and still preserve the important preferences for middle class taxpayers. >> not mathematically possible. >> it is mathematically possible. >> they have been arcing about this for months now. the non-partisan tax policy center says given the information that is available from the romney/ryan campaign it is not possible to cut tax rates as much as you'd like without eliminating deductions that may hurt the middle cla. specifically, you can't do this without changing rules on capital gains taxes, dividend taxes and the romney campaign has said they will not do that. you cannot cut taxes and keep the middle class deductions and can't cut taxes and keep lower rates on capital gains. now the romney campaign has said, look, we would work with the congress. we would -- we can't tell you what exactly it would look like because we'll work with the congress but the tax policy center says it can't be done. given what
something that would not add to the deficit, they say. here's -- let's listen to paul ryan saying that. >> you can cut tax rates by 20% and still preserve the important preferences for middle class taxpayers. >> not mathematically possible. >> it is mathematically possible. >> they have been arcing about this for months now. the non-partisan tax policy center says given the information that is available from the romney/ryan campaign it is not possible to cut tax rates as...
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that means the deficit would rise by $6.7 trillion. it's a good first step, but budget experts say that's still too high. mitt romney, meanwhile, has focused on the cuts. his economic plan, 55% of it cap spending at 20% gdp but his plan avoid cutting from defense. mitt romney says he would approve a balanced budget plan that only spends as much as it takes in, and he would also pursue entitlement reform. mitt romney's issues are taxes. romney's plan called for a 20% tax cut across the board. he said he would balance the loopholes and he said he would take care of the middle class family. but it's impossible to lower rates without taking money from low and middle income families. his plan would leave debt at 85% gdp by the end of the decade. we've been telling you also about the fiscal cliff. budget cuts will take place at the beginning of next year unless congress acts. president obama or president romney will need to worry about a rescisicessionrecession. they won't need to worry about a deficit. it would fall this year if we fell off
that means the deficit would rise by $6.7 trillion. it's a good first step, but budget experts say that's still too high. mitt romney, meanwhile, has focused on the cuts. his economic plan, 55% of it cap spending at 20% gdp but his plan avoid cutting from defense. mitt romney says he would approve a balanced budget plan that only spends as much as it takes in, and he would also pursue entitlement reform. mitt romney's issues are taxes. romney's plan called for a 20% tax cut across the board. he...
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i got to ask why what he called the massive deficit we have un-american, and the deficit spending has been just outrageous under republicans and democrats. why, when that was the case, he spent $90 billion sending money to green energy companies owned by friends and contributors of his. and we heard what he had to say or not say. i think we boil it down to this, he said more recently look, you can't change washington from the inside, you have to change it from the outside, we're going to give him that chance on november 6th. [ cheers and applause ] now, there were a couple places where we agreed. we agreed that we would take this country in very different directions. he points out that, actually it was the vice president that blurted out the truth, that they're planning on raising taxes by a trillion, but it's more like 2 trillion with the obama care taxes. there's no question that their spending and interest on the debt they amassed will do what one recent study showed and and that is cause them to raise taxes on the middle class. and i make this commitment to you, under no circumsta
i got to ask why what he called the massive deficit we have un-american, and the deficit spending has been just outrageous under republicans and democrats. why, when that was the case, he spent $90 billion sending money to green energy companies owned by friends and contributors of his. and we heard what he had to say or not say. i think we boil it down to this, he said more recently look, you can't change washington from the inside, you have to change it from the outside, we're going to give...
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because according to experts, he'd have to raise taxes on the middle class - or increase the deficit to pay for it. if we can't trust him here... how could we ever trust him here? yeah, i'm looking to save, but i'm not sure which policy is right for me. you should try our coverage checker. it helps you see if you have too much coverage or not enough, making it easier to get what you need. [ beeping ] these are great! [ beeping ] how are you, um, how are you doing? i'm going to keep looking over here. probably a good idea. ken: what's a good idea? nothing. with coverage checker, it's easy to find your perfect policy. visit progressive.com today. ♪ (train horn) vo: wherever our trains go, the economy comes to life. norfolk southern. one line, infinite possibilities. . >> all right. y for joe biden and paul ryan, the goals of last night's debate were pretty clear. sure of support among the base and help people pick a side. they were talking to people like my next guest who have been checking in throughout the campaign here. they're part of the middle class talk back, mara bigner is a
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increased spending to increase the the deficit. >> while you watch the debate tonight, get instant reaction debates live blog. just rolls off the tongue, doesn't it? we'll be right back. >>> in 1994 when george bush sr. was in a debateferaro, he appeared to be patronizing toward her. >> let me help you with the difference between iran and the embassy in lebanon. >> and she answered right on the button. >> let me just say first of all that i almost recent your patronizing attitude that you have to teach me about foreign policy. >> that moment, i think, solid fie e fieded the idea that a woman had the right to be there as a vice presidential candidate. all energy development comes with some risk, but proven technologies allow natural gas producers to supply affordable, cleaner energy, while protecting our environment. across america, these technologies protect air - by monitoring air quality and reducing emissions... ...protect water - through conservation and self-contained recycling systems... ... and protect land - by reducing our footprint and respecting wildlife. america's natural gas...
increased spending to increase the the deficit. >> while you watch the debate tonight, get instant reaction debates live blog. just rolls off the tongue, doesn't it? we'll be right back. >>> in 1994 when george bush sr. was in a debateferaro, he appeared to be patronizing toward her. >> let me help you with the difference between iran and the embassy in lebanon. >> and she answered right on the button. >> let me just say first of all that i almost recent your...
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i will not put in place a deficit thdea tax that adds to the deficit. my plan is not to put in place any tax cut that will add to the deficit. >> we want to look at the facts here, again. mitt romney has not laid out specifics for how he would pay for his tax cut. he says it's by reducing deductions and closing loopholes, but he hasn't said which or how many. so, the verdict here is simply incomplete. we just don't know. >> that was john burrman reporting there for us. one way, though, is that romney has said that he would actually pay for this reduced revenue is by capping itemized deductions, but still so few specifics. i mean, he floated the idea of capping deductions at 17,000 and then floated the idea of capping them at 25,000 or 50,000. don't voters deserve to know and need to know what it is going to be at this point? >> i think he's going to have to give more specifics, certainly. a debate may not be the best platform to give specifics because the answers are supposed to be short and, frankly, randi, he was able to get away with not giving many
i will not put in place a deficit thdea tax that adds to the deficit. my plan is not to put in place any tax cut that will add to the deficit. >> we want to look at the facts here, again. mitt romney has not laid out specifics for how he would pay for his tax cut. he says it's by reducing deductions and closing loopholes, but he hasn't said which or how many. so, the verdict here is simply incomplete. we just don't know. >> that was john burrman reporting there for us. one way,...
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deficits. they both have a little problem with details. but there is a big, i would strike a big contrast if i was mitt romney. i would put a working state on one side and a welfare state on the other side and i would say america would be much, much better if dollars were earned instead of dollars awarded. it is time to stop rewarding our friends and punishing our enemies and having the government treat every american the same, which is a foundational principal of the rule of law. and i think mitt romney has to do more of that. has he been specific with his plan? he laid five out in the debate, which is more than the president did. that's why independents thought mitt romney did very, very well. >> let me ask you about one of the issues where they differ, medicare. that is a big deal in florida romney says he supports vouchers for medicare, a plan that is not very popular. how does play in florida with all those seniors? >> right now in florida, you've got about 12 million registered voters. 36
deficits. they both have a little problem with details. but there is a big, i would strike a big contrast if i was mitt romney. i would put a working state on one side and a welfare state on the other side and i would say america would be much, much better if dollars were earned instead of dollars awarded. it is time to stop rewarding our friends and punishing our enemies and having the government treat every american the same, which is a foundational principal of the rule of law. and i think...
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if congress is bound to kick the can on a decision about cutting spending and deficit control, change the can. come up with a condition for not making a deal that is actually palatable and not horrible for the economy like the current situation that we have. tell me how that would even happen? are there enough people like you and those who you are trying to work with who are actually still in office in washington to hammer out a more perfect compromise? >> i think those kind of people are in the house and the senate. i think they are talking with each other, but the problem is, ali, they're not getting support from their own leaders in the congress, republicans or democrats. they're not getting support from the white house. they're not getting support from the party base who insists on 100% solution in their favor, and the american people, the common-sense americans that i think are in the great majority have to rise up because that's the missing part of the airplane is the middle. the wings are flapping and making their voices heard but the middle is not, and that's got to happen bec
if congress is bound to kick the can on a decision about cutting spending and deficit control, change the can. come up with a condition for not making a deal that is actually palatable and not horrible for the economy like the current situation that we have. tell me how that would even happen? are there enough people like you and those who you are trying to work with who are actually still in office in washington to hammer out a more perfect compromise? >> i think those kind of people are...
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we have a trillion deficit. why are we reducing tax rates at all. let's use it to our deficit reduction rather than lowering rates at the top. >> you know this as i did. when biden kept talking about raising taxes for people making a million or more as opposed to $250,000. >> that's a chuck schumer idea as well coming from new york. >> but all this should tell us is that before people go to the voting boothss, they're not going to know the answers to these questions. everyone would like to know the answers to these questions, but you have professional groups disagreeing about the economic impact of these things. so we don't really know. >> we have more clarity on the spending side where romney has said he wants to limit federal spending which would mean significant reductions in what the federal government does on a whole variety of fronts. even romney has said $500 billion a year in cuts by 2016. so that is a major difference that's out there. >> that's easier said than done as we know from covering congress for many years. >> and big bird is obvio
we have a trillion deficit. why are we reducing tax rates at all. let's use it to our deficit reduction rather than lowering rates at the top. >> you know this as i did. when biden kept talking about raising taxes for people making a million or more as opposed to $250,000. >> that's a chuck schumer idea as well coming from new york. >> but all this should tell us is that before people go to the voting boothss, they're not going to know the answers to these questions. everyone...
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happened we've had some creeping candor going on here in terms of the structural debate, structural deficit situation. governor romney made it clear that he's going to have rate cuts but not tax cuts. he's talking about revenue mutual reduction in change. on the other side president obama, this was a dog that didn't bark in effect because usually democrats talk about medicare and social security in a way that indicates they would never do anything about it. president obama to his credit did not do that. so i took some encouraging spin during the debate. >> we're encouraged. >> something that congress can build on. that may give the people in the congress working together a little more ammunition. >> very good. all right. thank you, senator. good to see you as always, senator sam nunn. john king as always. good to see you. and christine romans. coming up next big promiraculous small returns. can political leaders create jobs for our voters around the world or are they being lied to. q and a next with richard quest. to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gul
happened we've had some creeping candor going on here in terms of the structural debate, structural deficit situation. governor romney made it clear that he's going to have rate cuts but not tax cuts. he's talking about revenue mutual reduction in change. on the other side president obama, this was a dog that didn't bark in effect because usually democrats talk about medicare and social security in a way that indicates they would never do anything about it. president obama to his credit did not...
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don't raise the deficit. don't raise taxes on the middle class. and don't lower the share of income born by the high income earners. he'll keep saying this $5 trillion plan. it's been discredited by six other studies and their own deputy campaign manager acknowledged it wasn't correct. >> let's talk about this 20%. you have refused to offer specifics on how you pay for that 20% across the board tax cut. do you actually have the specifics or are you still working on it and that's why you won't tell voters? >> different than this administration, we want to have big bipartisan agreements. see, i understand -- >> do you have the specifics, do you have the -- >> that would be the first in a republican congress. >> look at what ronald reagan and tip o'neill did. they worked together to broaden the base and lower tax rates. what we're saying is, here is our frame work. lower tax rates 20%. we raise about $1.2 trillion through income taxes. we forego about $1.1 trillion in loopholes and deductions. so what we're saying is deny those so that more of their
don't raise the deficit. don't raise taxes on the middle class. and don't lower the share of income born by the high income earners. he'll keep saying this $5 trillion plan. it's been discredited by six other studies and their own deputy campaign manager acknowledged it wasn't correct. >> let's talk about this 20%. you have refused to offer specifics on how you pay for that 20% across the board tax cut. do you actually have the specifics or are you still working on it and that's why you...